Arguments For / Against & The History Of Net Neutrality November 2017



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Arguments For / Against & The History Of Net Neutrality November 2017

The best place to begin with net neutrality is understanding it’s basic premise: Providers who are transporting data should treat every packet the same, regardless of the source, the destination or the service. Net neutrality IS NOT about regulating the internet, it’s about regulating the providers.

Law Professor Tim Wu first uses the phrase “net neutrality” in a law review article in 2003, but the word was not really popularized until more recently.
(The Paper https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=388863)

$200 Billion Broadband Scandal
Read page 210-223, especially page 222.
https://www.ntia.doc.gov/legacy/broadbandgrants/comments/61BF.pdf

Thanks to Reddit user https://www.reddit.com/user/Skrattybones who started this list

2005 – Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.
https://www.eff.org/deArguments Against Net Neutrality eplinks/2007/10/eff-tests-agree-ap-comcast-forging-packets-to-interfere

AT&T CEO Edward Whitacre
“They don’t have any fiber out there. They don’t have any wires. They don’t have anything,” he argues. “They use my lines for free — and that’s bull. For a Google or a Yahoo! or a Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes for free is nuts!”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2005-11-06/rewired-and-ready-for-combat

2007 Complaint filed against Comcast for filtering traffic
https://www.publicknowledge.org/pdf/fp_pk_comcast_complaint.pdf

2008 Comcast Loses The Case https://www.publicknowledge.Arguments Against Net Neutrality org/news-blog/blogs/comcast-case-victory-internet

2007-2009 – AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn’t like there was competition for their cellphones.
http://fortune.com/2009/04/03/group-asks-fcc-to-probe-iphone-skype-restrictions/

2010 The Federal Communications Commission today said it would vote on rules to prevent ISPs from discriminating against the bits flowing across their networks

FCC’s New New Net Neutrality Compromise Is Better

2011 – MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. Essentially this was a Zero Rating Service
https://www.wired.com/2011/01/metropcs-net-neutrality/

2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their systems
https://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/11/07/06/verizons-illegal-app-blocking
http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-blocking-google-wallet-2011-12

2011 Verizon Communications refiles a lawsuit Friday to block Net neutrality regulations passed by the FCC late in 2010, taking the position the FCC does not have the authority to enforce the rules.
https://www.cnet.com/news/verizon-sues-again-to-block-net-neutrality-rules/

2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn’t do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction.They were fined $1.25million over this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/fcc-fines-verizon-125m-for-blocking-tethering-apps/2012/07/31/gJQAXjRLNX_blog.html

2012, AT&T – tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.
https://www.freepress.net/press-release/99480/att-blocking-iphones-facetime-app-would-harm-consumers-and-break-net-neutrality

2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.
https://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2013/09/18/verizons-plan-break-internet

2014 FCC Chairman Wheeler Endorses Title II
https://www.wired.com/2015/02/fcc-chairman-wheeler-net-neutrality/

2015 FCC Passes Title II Net Neutrality Rules
https://www.publicknowledge.org/news-blog/blogs/a-landmark-day-for-net-neutrality

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30 thoughts on “Arguments For / Against & The History Of Net Neutrality November 2017”

  1. While I respect your opinion of this, I do disagree about the need for NN before there is more competition. I believe that NN will slow down the creation of more competition by removing most of the ability for existing ISPs to mess up and make mistakes (I.E, blocking certain websites or services). There's less to no incentive for new ISPs to start up, so none or fewer will. Removing NN might have negative effects in the short term, or it may not. However it will have significant long term benefits. All we must do it wait out the possible storm.

  2. 0:10

    "There's a lot of arguments for and against net neutrality…"

    Dude i found this video bc i've been desprately searching for the AGAINST because no one seems to know why its being repealed just that "we dont have to worry about isp integrety once repealed…"

    If your saying theres are lots of reasons against net neutrallity i hope you have some godly sources bec0ause ive not been able to find any myself

  3. I was kind of expecting a video defending both sides, instead of you giving a few arguments for nn and vaguely saying anti nn arguments then debunking them. Very informative, well sourced video, but I feel like the title mislead me a bit.

  4. Capital Switchboard 202-224-3121 Congress has the ability to repeal an agency’s actions so it is very important to call congress and keep calling congress, especially the republicans. Congress can inact a congressional resolution of disapproval in which congress reverses or eliminates an agency’s action. Since Trump took office congress has worked to reverse more than a dozen regulatory actions.
    If Pai hears of congressional opposition it may slow down the net neutrality death train he is feverently pushing for his ex cronies at Verizon.
    After the commission votes in on the 14th of December and will likely reverse open internet & net neutrality rules concerned internet users have 6 weeks of public outcry to convince members of congress to oppose the FCC’s plan before we are ALL at the mercy of the likes of Comcast, Verizon AT & T who will all start throttling access and charging for internet fast lanes. It’s a win win for these huge companies because they can charge both the consumer and internet companies, they stand to make a ton of money.
    The fast lanes will greatly hurt consumers with increases in fees and consequently less choices. Free speech is affected because of less choices, competition for the small guy who doesn’t have the capital like facebook or google, thus innovation will be more costly. It’s a terrible idea all around for all people regardless of political party.
    Public outcry to convince all senators especially republican senators would have a huge affect. It’s very important to fight this.

  5. The history is also dishonest and/or incorrect:

    In 2006 comcast was allegedly throttling bittorrent (one type of peer2peer technology). NN does not prohibit ISPs from throttling unlawful content. They could do the same with NN rules legally and only the market is stopping them.

  6. "Any car can drive on any road" is NOT a valid claim. The government does not permit any vehicle on any road. Vehicles have to meet certain government standards for one. Second, certain types of vehicles, ie large trucks are not permitted on certain roads.

    Analogy falls apart because there is no such thing as "road neutrality" in the real world.

  7. Sorry I’m late to the party, I’m trying to understand the pros/cons in this debate.
    If the reason to change NN is to allow competition, how will there be competition? If that is not the reason to change NN, what is the reason and how will it benefit the consumer? In my area, there is only one cable/internet provider. If a new provider came into the area, they would have to fund the build-out of their network to each street/home which would be very costly, and I presume why no one has done this yet.
    If I decide I no longer like the video service provided by my cable/internet provider and switch to something like Sling, Sony Vue or YouTube TV (all of which are cheaper for the video portion of my bill), what prevents the provider from limiting bandwidth from these services or charging me more to remove the bandwidth limit to those services? I thought this was the benefit of the current NN rules, to prevent the limitation.

  8. The problem with all of those examples you brought up is that they were resolved without 2015's Net Neutrality regulation. For those to be actually relevant, you would need to bring up an ongoing case from before 2015 that NN actually solved.

    The problem you have (no competition) is a government issue, as in too much power. And, oddly, there is competition, but the things you sites as bad makes it an anti-competition initiative.

  9. At 3 minutes, you made your case and answered your own question. "Why didn't we get this super Internet, when government gave them all this funding and tax breaks and then regulated them"? If left to their own, no government, and left to competition fighting for the customers, there would have been more innovation and more of that stuff we were told would happen.

    For the road analogy, look to Boston and "The Big Dig". You give tax breaks and expect a road… and you get…. yeah.

  10. #NetNeutrality  #CrucifyAjitPai  #SaveTheInternet  #FirePai  #BattleForTheNet  #Reddit

    Only five people at the FCC get to vote on Net Neutrality:
    Their names are Ajit Pai, Mignon Clyburn, Michael O'Reilly, Brendan Carr, and Jessica Rosenworcel.
    Both Mignon Clyburn and Jessica Rosenworcel plan to vote keep Net Neutrality, so to defeat the net neutrality repeal ONE OF THE THREE MEN (Pai; O'Reilly; or Carr) needs to change his expected vote (currently in favor of repeal).
    Here are the numbers by which to contact them:
    #AjitPai: 202-518-7399 EDIT Cell #: 1- (703) 533-7359 Home address: 4868 old Dominion drive, Arlington VA, 22207-2743
    #MichaelOReilly: 301-657-9092
    #BrendanCarr: 202-719-7305
    EMAIL THE FCC COMMISSIONERS
    Ajit Pai, Chairman: Ajit.Pai@fcc.gov.
    Mignon Clyburn, Commissioner: Mignon.Clyburn@fcc.gov.
    Michael O'Rielly, Commissioner: Mike.O'Rielly@fcc.gov.
    Brendan Carr, Commissioner: Brendan.Carr@fcc.gov.
    Jessica Rosenworcel, Commissioner: Jessica.Rosenworcel@fcc.gov.
    PLEASE contact these people! Net Neutrality is critical to keeping the Internet and its various news and information channels from being any further corrupted by disinformation, demagogy, or corporate domination.
    MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! Please copy and repost.

  11. Well, here in Brazil, I get 10 Mbps down and 0,5 Mbps up with a legacy DSL connection and the great thing about it is that I can use it anywhere I want, anyhow I want and anytime I want. No data caps, no traffic shaping, nothing. If I want to see the news, if I want to use VoIP or if I want to download torrents, my ISP doesn't care. In my mobile phone, I get 30 GB of data and, again, I can stream in 4K (although 30 GB may not be enough), use my phone as a hotspot for as many many gigs as I want, and after 30 GB I will have speeds slowed down the same way for all the services, but it'll still be usable.

  12. The fact that you were able to complain about all the shit ISP's did and it stopped shows that the net is not broken. If this is under government regulations then you would have to deal with it because it's now a law.

  13. Where is the pros in this propaganda? Look, you weren't sold a road, you were sold a service. This is capitalism where profits define efficiency and provide for the increase in both quantity and quality of the services sold. All the abuse stems from a lack of competition due to government protected network monopolies. We don't need more government intervention, but less! Not every restaurant provides an all-you-can-eat buffet for good reason. Remember, there's no such thing as a free lunch. We must pay for what we eat and, like in every other unregulated business, prices fall with the rise in consumption.

  14. 13:40 Thank you, most of the people who are against net neutrality seem to either think that any and all regulation somehow = bad or like to spout on about how the free market should decide, but don't seem to understand that we don't actually have a free market here in the US and the vast majority of people are limited to one and if they're fortunate a second just as shitty provider, thus you're either trusting big corporations with the internet or the government and what is a corporation's main interest? Duh, make money and without strong competition they'll jack up prices or do whatever it takes to see those margins go up…

    I'm incredibly lucky to live in an area that has multiple providers and the internet is much better here than most places in the US, I have 70mbps down and 5mbps up, it's kinda sad that is even considered a fast connection in the US.

  15. You're just feeding children candy with this video. The overall picture is that we do not need the government because they will choose the winners instead of the market. Let's break the barriers and not build them up. We have power over companies, not over the government regulations. This is gatekeeping and you know it. Go watch lunduke's NN video

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